July 21, 2026

Silly Women, Authority's For Men

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Transcript

Does the Lord allow women preachers and teachers or is 1 Timothy 2:12 really God’s permanent “No Girls Allowed” sign for ministry. Have we mistaken Paul’s response to a troubled church for a universal restriction on every woman, everywhere... forever?

Cassandra and Amber dig into the false teaching circulating in Ephesus, the influence of the goddess Artemis, and the context surrounding Paul’s instruction that a woman should learn quietly. Because turning a church-specific correction into a permanent gag order for women may be a little more tradition than truth.

This episode includes AI-generated content.

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They whispered, leave the deep thoughts. Dear, just smile and

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be sweet.

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Don't worry about the doctrine.

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Just find yourself a seat. But the Gospel shatters strongholds.

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It's a wrecking ball of grace.

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We're tearing down the tired lies all over this holy place.

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Martha, Mary and may He.

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So great.

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Welcome to Martha, Mary and Mayhem. This is Cassandra Barbado,

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your host, with my co host here, Amber Jinx. Hello,

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and we're going to talk about One Timothy two twelve

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and the surrounding verses. Today we are going through a

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few episodes here on the topic of women in ministry,

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tying in a little bit about the marriage relationship as well,

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because it kind of falls in a lot of these

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conversations in the church around men and women as far

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as lines of authority that God has established. When you

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internally have the knowledge of the Gospel, you maybe have

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studied scripture, or you feel the Lord pulling you in

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a certain direction, you have a certain gifting that He's

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given you, and yet you have your surrounding community telling

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you that you are not You're not qualified, and the

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qualification is what your flesh has been molded into I

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know that there are something to get very extreme where

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the woman is basically not to participate in any type

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of leadership whatsoever. That wasn't my experience. My experience was

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a little bit restriction light version. So basically women couldn't

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be pastors, and then there was question marks around whether

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or not she should even be preaching the gospel.

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Yes, right, it's called the ministry. Isn't as long as

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it's to lead bbs. Where as long as you're teaching

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children in fifth grade and younger, yes it's fine.

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Or we need your help for the pot luck, but

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not the bullpit.

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Right to have the communities around you tell you, nope,

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this is for you. But the spirit in you, this

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drive in you.

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And then you question your own walk because you think

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you may be misinterpreting the Holy Spirit. And if you're

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misinterpreting this, what else have you misinterpreted.

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It's an important conversation. If we're going to silence half

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the body of Christ, we should be really, really sure that.

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That's what we're supposed to do.

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Yes, But because of being a woman, I had to

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deal with this issue, and so my comprehensive evaluation after

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a long time of looking into it is that a

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lot of the things that we have been taught as

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this is the truth are interpretations of the text. So

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on Timothy, Chapter two, verses eleven through fifteen, are really

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a weapon that the church has used incorrectly, because it's

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one that should be dealing with difficulties within a church

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and looking at how leadership can deal with when false

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doctrines are coming into a church and what steps you

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might take to deal with false doctrines being brought into

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a church, rather than using it to apply to all

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women all time. So on Timothy two, verse eleven says,

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a woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. The

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command there is for her to learn.

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So the command is.

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Not on the silencing or the submissiveness. The command is

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actually a woman must learn, So that's where the directive is.

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It shows us also the way in which she should learn.

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But there is definitely a really clear this is something

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she should be doing. She should be a part of

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the doctrinal teachings, right, that's important. But going on from that,

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it says in verse twelve, but I do not allow

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a woman to teach or exercise with authority over a man,

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but to remain quiet, For it was Adam who was

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first created, then Eve, and it was not Adam who

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was deceived, but the woman being deceived fell into transgression.

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But woman will be preserved through the bearing of children

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if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with

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self restraint. So there's a lot to unpack here, and

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we're going to go through it like verse by verse,

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but that main on Timothy two twelve.

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That's the one.

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But I do not allow women to teach or exercise

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authority over a man, but to remain quiet. I've actually

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had that verse yelled at me.

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That's terrible. So that one gets used quite a bit.

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In my mind, it is a it's a spiritual force

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of darkness that is wanting to diminish the woman's God

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given dominion, and that verse gets used to kind of

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push her back down to a submissive role.

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It doesn't it really if you grew up the way

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I did. It was also used to teach a woman

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how to act in her home. The fact that she's

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can't exercise authority over a man, where it says in

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verse twelve, is part of the reason I felt like

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I had to stay trapped in a marriage for several

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years that was abusive and unhealthy, and I would wake

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up every day and not know what personality that I

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was going to get from my husband. I didn't know

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if he was going to be drunk and angry, if

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he was going to be drunk in fun, or if

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he was going to be sober and angry. But because

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I had made this commitment before God, and because it

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told me that I was supposed to submit to my husband,

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and so, you know, you take all these things that

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you've learned growing up and you think that's how you're

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supposed to live your life, so you don't you don't escape,

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you don't speak up, and you think that it's that.

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You're honoring God, that you're honoring.

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God by being submissive and staying quiet. And you know,

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I know that I was in a point to where

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it was bad. I don't want to go in all

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the details, but I think I've shared with you something silly,

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as I got something thrown at me for not putting

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cheese on a BLT. There's no C in BLT right, like,

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I hit the basics. I even added man aise to it,

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but there was a cheese on it. So it incited

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this just abusive rage, and there were so many other

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things throughout the marriage, and it had gotten to the

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point to where but we had two young kids at home,

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and I had, against my in law's advice, I had

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continued to work because I think part of me knew

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I was gonna need to be financially independent. I wasn't

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gonna be able to stay be a stay at home mom.

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So there were times that he was alone with the

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kids and it would just it felt unsafe, and I

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remember it was one of the few times that I

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feel like I've heard the Lord audibly. But I heard

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a voice say get out.

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Now.

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He had been arrested, he was in rehab, and I

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thought things were going to get better. But then I

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heard this voice, and so I packed up and left.

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Within a few days, I went back home, And turns

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out that was the good thing to do, because he

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then went on to spiral way downhill and get worse

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and things. Even though I was no longer in the home,

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the abuse continued from afar. Luckily, he just wasn't able

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to reach me, and I believe had I stayed with him,

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I wouldn't be here anymore. It was he was a

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very violent individual. And part of my misinterpretation of a

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verse like this is why I endured it for so long.

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It's really sad. Yeah, I'm sorry to bring it down. No,

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it's okay.

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I think it's important to share because how many other

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women are going through the same thing.

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Oh, there's and in complete silence because they think that's

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the honorable elevated.

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But yet they're supposed to submit to their husband.

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Yes, because he's a man, he has that authority.

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And not understanding the reality of the dominion they've been

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given on this earth. Yes, context is king. If you

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don't know the context, it can be difficult to understand.

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And in this particular passage it's really important because also

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some things that are even weird he gets into the

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fifteenth verse era. But women will be preserved through the

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bearing of children if they continue in faith and love

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and sanctity with self restraint. What in the world does

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that have to do with anything? But I think if

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we look at the context of the culture at the time,

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we can gain some insight. So first, I think it's

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good to point out that first Timothy chapter one, Paul

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tells us what's going on right at the beginning if

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you go to verse three, he says, as I urged you,

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upon my departure from Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus, so

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that you may instruct certain men not to teach strained

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doctrines Verse forces, nor to pay attention to myths and

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endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation, rather than

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furthering the administration of God, which is by faith. So

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he's like, look, there's people that are teaching things they

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need to stop teaching, and that's why I left you there.

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Get them to stop teaching these things. Right, the church

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that Timothy is at is in Ephesus. And if you

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read through the Book of accentnytime soon or recent, you

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would note there was like a big riot about the

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goddess Artemis. They're making the idols for Artemis, they're like

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little statues or whatever, and they decide that Paul is

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actually going to ruin their job because nobody's going to

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buy their stuff if they all convert to this Southern religion.

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So they start a riot and then they go in

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and they start chanting great, yes, yeah, And this goes

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on for like two hours before it gets shut down. Right,

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there is this huge event so that's the culture that

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they're in, and this is a huge part of the

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Ephesian culture. The temple of Artemis was one of the

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seven Wonders.

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Of the world.

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It's their bank, like their treasury. They have people that

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travel from all over to come see this temple. It's

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a huge part of everyday life. This particular version of

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Artemis had a storyline where she was she's the first

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born of her and her twin Apollo, and so we

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should note that she's the first born and then she

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actually becomes her She turns around right upon birth and

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has the strength to become her mother's midwife and she

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helps to deliver her brother, Apollo. And this aspect of

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her being a savior goddess, a goddess that was a midwife,

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was a huge part of the Ephesian culture. So having

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some sense of security in this myth around this midwife

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goddess that would help bring them through childbirth was a

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big part of the upbringing. And you got to think

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about every time mom got pregnant, or aunt got pregnant,

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or a sister got pregnant, they would be seeing these

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women paying homage to the goddess Artemis to help them

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get through their pregnancy and delivery. And I think if

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we go back to the text, we can start saying

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how some of the things that Paul is addressing in

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the post one Timothy two twelve, as we get into thirteen,

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fourteen and fifteen, start to look more like correcting doctrine

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rather than establishing lines of authority. And I think that's

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so important because if we're going to if we're going

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to try and say that this passage establishes a line

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of authority that goes all the way back to Adam

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and Eve, you really need to have more than just

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this verse to back it up. We know Paul is

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dealing with false doctrines. We know there's this major cult

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of Artemis going on huge part of.

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Their everyday life.

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There's doctrinal issues going on. And so if we read

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the first Timothy two twelve in light of that, it

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gives a little bit of a different sense about it.

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If somebody is being told they need to learn, it

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means they probably are getting.

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Some things wrong, you know. Yeah.

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So, now if we back up even to verse eleven,

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when he says a woman must quietly receive instruction with

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entire submissiveness, if there is an issue, particularly with the women,

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and they would have participated in this cult, especially some

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of the higher status women. You can see how Paul

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might be having some issues with strange doctrines coming into

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the church that he needs to correct.

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Yeah, it could mandy his message a little better.

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It could.

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Yes, So when somebody is being told to learn, there's

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usually a purpose for it. It means they don't have

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the correct information. And so he is giving a command

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an instruction for the woman to learn, and then he restricts.

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And this is here's this is the crux. This is

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the part that I want to land on, and I

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hope that anybody listening takes this one thing because all

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of this that I'm talking about with context only helps

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to give us an idea of interpretation. It doesn't give

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us the facts of exactly what's happening. But I can

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tell you exactly what's happening. In verse two twelve is

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that Paul says, I do not permit so. And why

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is this important? It's important because Paul is doing something

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according to the authority that he has to deal with

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whatever he is dealing with within that church at that time,

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and he's making a decision to not permit a woman

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could be one or women in general. It actually is

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singular in the verse, saying that he does not permit

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a woman to have to teach or have authority. And

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even that word authority carries with it a sense of usurping.

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I do not I do not permit a woman to

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teach or have authority over a man. Paul doesn't say

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God does not permit. He doesn't say Scripture, the Holy

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Scriptures do not permit. He doesn't say the law right.

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He's saying he doesn't permit this, and it's actually in

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the Greek. This is something you can study out. You

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can get out your interlinear push on the little numbers

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there and it'll take you to the actual words there.

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Paul says, this is something he is not doing. Not God,

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he's not doing. And that's important because Paul does that

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throughout his letters. There's times where he even says, I

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don't have a command of God, but this is what

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I think you should do, and that's something that we

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would expect from a good leader. I mean, you and

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I are in leadership. There's policy and then there's like

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areas where we know we're called to make a decision

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as the.

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Leader in that situation. And that's exactly what Paul's doing.

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He's being a good leader dealing with things that are

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going on in that church. But he's not saying this

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is the policy guide from God's handbook or a new

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policy that came through revelation. He's establishing something for that time,

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for that situation.

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Even if you look at it as the woman must

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learn when you're in the midst of studying something day

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one and two, that doesn't make you the authority. So

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it would almost make sense to just be quiet for

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a minute.

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Let's take something out. Yeah, get the bat out.

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First before you then assert your authority and you speak

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out because you're gonna you're gonna really confuse people if

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you take you combine the two exactly.

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get into the order of creation, which we talked about

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last week. So last week we got into Genesis, we

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looked at the order of creation. We talked about Adam

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being made first and then how God declared it was

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not good for him to be alone, so he.

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Creates woman, So she's the first.

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and then he gives them dominion after they've been created.

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That whole thing is been twisted from misinterpreting verse thirteen

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here because this it says this, for it was Adam

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who was first created and then Eve. So there's the idea,

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is that Paul is saying, I don't allow a woman

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to teach and have authority over man because Adam's in

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charge because he was formed first. But it doesn't say

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that he is. He's giving a doctrine. He is setting doctrine,

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and in my opinion, he's setting doctrines straight because he

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is getting mixed information from these false teachers, from people

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who are teaching strange doctrines, as he says at the

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beginning of the book, and he is correcting. And it

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very well could be the myths of Artemis because Artemis

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was first.

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First, and then it was Apollo that came second. And

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here we see Paul setting the record straight. Do you

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see how if you look at what's going on in

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the culture, there's other possibilities other than oh, he just

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means that the man's in charge, and he's taking it

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all the way back to the beginning. Well, hold up,

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that's an interpretation, and you have to go in and

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see what other what's the evidence of that, because there

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isn't evidence of that when you actually go back to creation.

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woman are there, you have to have more than one

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witness to understand what's going on. Scripture is the same way.

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You can't just have one witness with no context and decide,

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you know what's happening. You've got to have context. You've

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got to apply it across scripture. You've got to compare

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scripture with scripture, and what do we see throughout history?

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We actually see women in positions of leadership that.

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God put there.

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So you can't use this and say, oh, no, they're

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not supposed to be. No. Deborah is a prime example,

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and Testament yes, and there's other women that you can

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Miriam was put in a place of leadership. So you

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have these different areas of seeing what God has declared

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that woman should do. You can't take this and say, actually.

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We're not we're going to erase all of those and

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decide that What Paul meant here is that because Adam

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was formed first, and then Eve he's the boss. That's

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an interpretation that's not fact. Paul didn't interpret that for us.

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even what I'm offering is a possible interpretation because the

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fact is we don't have the exact storyline behind exactly

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what Paul is trying to address, so we have to

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read it in light of the full scope of scripture

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and the best historical context that we have. So potential

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reading of that is that Paul is correcting the fact

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that it was actually Adam formed. First, if he's directing

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false doctrines in the church, he's saying, ah, we're not

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letting the woman teacher have authority over a man because

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potentially she's teaching wrong things. And then if you go

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on and he says, and it was not Adam who

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is deceived, but the woman being deceived fell into transgression, again,

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I think this is very potentially correcting false teaching that

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is going on in the church at the time. And

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then the last one, this one actually in my mind,

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makes the most sense in light of the cult of

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artibus that this culture had when it Paul writes, but

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woman will be preserved through the bearing of children if

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they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self restraint.

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cult and into the Christian Church who.

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them through childbearing if they honored her appropriately, And now

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this has been shifted away from them. How does Christ

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fit in to my motherhood and my childbearing? And Paul

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giving some corrective teaching. You don't need to go worship

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the goddess Artemis Christ.

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Guys, stay right here, Okay, you don't need to go

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back to the temple for this particular issue. The woe

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will be preserved through childbearing if they continue in what

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first thing faith. So my point being is that all

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of this text there's a better interpretation, is what I'm

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trying to say by looking at the context of the

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culture at the time. Yeah.

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For sure, when you put yourself in the mindset and

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you think about who he's actually speaking to and why

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he's speaking to them, it makes the most sense that

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he's telling them be quiet and learn some things. Yep,

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not forever. Just you got it wrong. Please be quiet

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and then don't start shouting what you know until you

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know it. And then your teaching was that Artemis came

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out first and then Apollo, but what had actually happened

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was God created Adam and then Eve, and then you

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don't need this goddess to be saved from childbirth if

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Yes, And I think this is just a better interpretation

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to me. The corporate line. The corporate line work the

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policy thing. There's times where policy may even allow things

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that I will restrict because I have a team member

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that is not performing up to standard, you know what

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I mean. There could be an openness for policy, and

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I'm like, actually, this is right now. We're gonna pull

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back on here because we're not performing to standard and

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we've got to get to standard before we can go

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back to having this freedom over here.

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Yep. You have those experts with loopholes. Those are my

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favorite network Those are just the best.

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But by having that restriction in place for a time,

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you actually have the ability to hopefully get the group,

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the team, the individual going in the right direction. And

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