July 28, 2026

Women Be Silent

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“Women should be silent in church.” Case closed—or is it?

In this episode, Cassandra and Amber take a closer look at 1 Corinthians 14:34–36, the surrounding context, Paul’s rhetorical style, and the very inconvenient fact that Paul had already acknowledged women praying, prophesying, teaching, and participating in the gathered church.

Before we turn two verses into a permanent gag order, it may be worth asking whether Paul was commanding silence—or rebuking the people who were. Because context matters, Scripture interprets Scripture, and tradition should never be allowed to speak louder than the text.

This episode includes AI-generated content.

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They whispered, leave the deep thoughts. Dear, just smile and

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be sweet.

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Don't worry about the doctrine.

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Just find yourself a seat.

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But the gospel shatters strongholds.

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It's a wrecking ball of grace.

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We're tearing down the tired lies all over this holy place. Martha,

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Mary and may He. Welcome to Martha, Mary and Mayhem.

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This is Cassandra Barbado, your host, and I am here

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with my co host, Amber Jinks.

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Thanks for being here. Guys.

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We are going to be talking about a passage in

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First Corinthians chapter fourteen.

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You have probably heard them before.

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I like to refer to them as the women be

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Silent verses so versus thirty four and thirty five. But

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we will continue through the rest of the chapter because

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there's some very important information there.

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I think before we read we should look at some

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helpful instruction that was given by Michael Defossio Hope, I'm

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not butchering his last name. A book he wrote on

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how to read the Bible. So how I came across

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this study was one Wednesday night Bible study. This was

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presented and the pastor was really helping us learn how

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to truly interpret and learn from the Bible. And I

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remember even in the Genesis of Us talking about this

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podcast and just the importance of interpreting the scriptures properly

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going through this Bible study, and I could not put

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the pieces together on who to quote and where and how.

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I just remember having it right. So today, this morning,

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I was going and being my normal ADHD self. I

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thought the most important thing to do five minutes before

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I had to be out the door was change purses.

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And so I have three purses on my bed, the

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contents of them all just dumped, because who actually puts

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things away when they change purses. It's like treasures later

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when you get that purse back out, I'm dumping all

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these things out, and I'm putting what's pertinent and what

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I need for the day into the bag I'm going

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to carry. And as I'm going, you know that stack

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of really old, disgusting bulletins that you've had for way

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too long and can't throw away for no reason. So

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in those I've found the outline that was given to

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us when we went through the study of this book.

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And for context, She's been talking about this for weeks,

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for weeks, and it was just one of those things.

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That's just the brain worm that was bothering me, and

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I could not find the proof to what I knew,

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and so I found it today. I'm so excited. There

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are eight main points that was outlined for us on

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what to do and how to read scripture and how

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to get the true meaning out of everything that you read.

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And I can go through them real quick and then

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we'll apply these to the passage. It sounds good for today.

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So one begin with the right goals. The second read

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with humility. The third is pay attention to the details.

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The investigation piece, discern the author's flow of thought is

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for the literary context. Number five, study the world behind

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the text. What's the historical background happening, so that you

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truly can discern the meaning. Number six is read each

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passage and light of scripture as a whole. So important

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that one. I think we touched on that a little

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bit last week. Yes, and the context yes. And then

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seven be sensitive to genre, and eight live what you learn.

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What was the first one?

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Again, begin with the right goals, the right goals. So

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what is the goal.

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What do you think the goal is? To understand this

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passage to apply it to daily life? So that we

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are in accordance with God's commands. I think that's good.

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I think that's a good goal.

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And read with humility. So we're going to approach it

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like we don't have it all figured out. The Holy

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Spirit can teach us even though we read the same

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verse twenty times, he can teach us something to time.

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It also means that you should read both sides of

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the argument. So if you come to something that's debated,

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you can get into especially nowadays with like online stuff,

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you can what's it called an echo chamber, Yes, and

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you can just start feeding yourselfself that same concept over

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and over again. So it's really important to study with

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that what's the argument on the other side.

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For sure? And now we get into the pay attention

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to the details, the investigative portion.

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That's something that I probably do. I think I'm a

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little upset.

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I was going to say, maybe obsessively. But that's a

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good thing. I mean, there are times, there are times

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like this when it's appropriate to really investigate every word.

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And translators make choices that they.

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Do discern the author's flow of thought, the literary context.

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That is going to help with First Corinthians because some

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of the things we're going to look at today have

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to do with how Paul is, where he's building his

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argument from. And we'll start in chapter eleven and kind

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of come through chapter fourteen. We'll see his flow of

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thought there. But there's also kind of learning their language,

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their style of talking, and the way that they bring

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things up.

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All of that is important. We're going to look at

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the study the world behind the text. So what's going

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on in this time period, what's happening in corinth Who

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is he talking to? You got to know who he's

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addressing and why. And then we've got seven, which is

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be sensitive to the genre, and eight live out what

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you learn, which is what we are called to do

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as children of God.

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So if we go to First Corinthians, chapter fourteen, verse

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thirty four, it says women are to keep silent in

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the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but

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are to subject themselves, just as the law also says,

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if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their

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own husbands at home, for it is improper for a

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woman to speak in the church.

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And my translation says, for it is shameful for women

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to speak in church. Yeah, pretty heavy.

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It is I always had a hard time with this

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because to me, this is extreme, and I want to

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show the listener in a minute why I feel like

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it's extreme. But I couldn't read it in light of

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the different varieties of what I was seeing the church

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actually live out. So I would see some areas where

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they'd be like, it's okay for women to talk, it's

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not okay for them to pastor, it's not okay for

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them to get a sermon, but they can also speak

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or pray. One of the churches I went to had

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the side microphone, so that was something I would sit

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there and I'd wonder to myself, how does this fit

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with this passage because you have the pulpit microphone, but

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the side microphone is where they could come up and

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give a message in tongues, or they could give a

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message a prophetic word, or they could give a testimony,

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they could pray for something, but it wasn't behind the pulpit, right,

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wasn't behind the pulpit, so it didn't count.

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Yes, those aren't real speaking in church apparently. No.

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I'm like sorting through this trying to figure out, like,

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how does that fit with women gotta be silent in

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the church. Okay, So starting in verse thirty four, it

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says the woman should keep silent in the churches. All right, So,

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first of all, a church is not a building. A

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church is a congregation.

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And in historically the church was in someone's home, right,

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It was a group of people and that got together. Yes,

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they were the church in someone's home, not some fancy

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synagogue or some synagogue or what's where do we go? Sanctuary?

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Thank you?

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And that is paraman of pause brain, brought to you

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by that.

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So when it says the women should keep silent in

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the churches, it's really talking about in the gathering of

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the Christian believers also, the keep silent. So this is important.

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The word silent there actually means to stop talking. Yes,

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So in one Timothy two twelve and or that passage

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from eleven to whatever fifteen, and it says that the

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woman should be silent, So she's supposed to learn, but

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she's supposed to be silent. That word is a different

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word that's used in the Greek, and that word has

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to do with self control, being spt like a peacefulness.

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She's supposed to be subdued and in a position to learn, right,

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Whereas this actually means stop talking. And he uses this

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same word a couple of times in this chapter in

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reference to people giving a word and then them stop

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talking when another one starts talking. It doesn't mean complete

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and utter silence. It means that you're not contributing to

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the conversation.

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That makes sense.

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So the women are to keep silent in the churches.

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So we've got this understanding. The women are supposed to

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not talk. They're not contributing in the churches, for they

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are not permitted to speak, keep silent, not permitted to speak.

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And so now that's in connection to them being in submission.

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And then Paul writes, as the law also says, right,

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So before we even go on from here.

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We've got it's the law.

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Yes, be silent, not permitted to speak, be in submission.

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I mean, it's that's a heavy hammer. It's very extreme,

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it's very extreme. And then it goes on, if there's

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anything else they desire to learn.

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If you want to learn something, ladies, yeah, other than

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be quiet and be submissive.

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Right, So if you picture what he's talking about here,

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if you want to learn something, that means you're asking questions.

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You're not even allowed to ask questions about what's being

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talked about. Let them ask their husbands at home, for

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it is shameful for a woman to speak in the

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church just to be greeky. For a second, Let's look

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up these words really quick. Shameful In the lexical summary,

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it says disgraceful, improper, sordid. Strong's exhaustive concordance says filthy.

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Ou.

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The word translated shameful or disgraceful signals conduct that falls

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beneath the divine standard or honor. This is the topical lexicon.

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In scripture. The idea of shame is not merely social embarrassment,

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but exposure before God's holiness. Okay, so I think I'm

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making my point that this is a strong word. Yes, yeah,

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just to kind of drive it home a little bit.

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The church assembly congregation, I just want to make I'm

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not just making this up, Okay, I'm not just throwing

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these words out here. The word translated as church in

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this passage is the lexical summary says is church assembly congregation.

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It's a called out assembly of citizens, the community of

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Redeemed of Christ, whether being on earth or in heaven

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or both. So this is the assembly of believers all right,

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it's not talking about a building. That's important because if

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we are going that extreme, we're going that extreme saying

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that women are to be silent and.

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The Assembly of believers, they are supposed to be silent.

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Not permitted to speak, but should be in submission. And

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so there's silence is lining them up with submission, which

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there's nowhere in the Old Testament law that says that.

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And as the law says, so now it's a tying

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it to a law, and that they're not even allowed

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to ask questions about what's being taught in the assembly.

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They need to wait until they're home. And it's shameful,

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it's disgraceful, filthy for them to speak in the church.

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Or apparently on the walk home. It has to be

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in the home. Yeah, you gotta wait till you get

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a home. Yeah.

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So when I early days me reading this passage, and

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that's even before I was studying the Greek and looking,

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and eventually I got to the point where I'd go

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to my little interline the ear and I'd pick on

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the words and I think, well, maybe it's not as

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harsh as I'm getting from the translation. And now I

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found out it was worse. It's like, oh my lord,

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I know that there's a lot of different turning and

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twisting and positioning of this passage to try and make

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it fit with what the rest of Paul teaches. So

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what I've witnessed over my years is a very odd, undefined,

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movable line of where women are allowed to speak and

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not allowed to speak.

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I actually read years ago.

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It has to be seventeen years ago that I read this.

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There is a few red flags that we can find

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as we're reading through the text, and the first one

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really is the fact that there is no law that

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Paul is actually pointing to is in submission as the

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law also says. There is no law that actually says that.

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Paul kind of uses the law a little bit loosely.

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Sometimes he uses it to talk about the entirety of

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God's word as being the law right. Sometimes it's talking

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about the Torah. Sometimes he's pulling out a very specific word.

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no law that connects a woman's silence to submission and

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saying that that's what she's supposed to do in a congregation.

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somebody pointing out that the mantle rule over woman in

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Genesis chapter three, which we already covered in our first episode,

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which is why it's so important to understand.

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Read what is actually happening there in the first few chapters,

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because that is a result of rebellion, It's a result

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of sin. It is not a kingdom principle. So man

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ruling over woman is a bad thing, not a positive

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result of something that got institutes for his orderly congregation.

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Then what does he mean? As the law also says

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that comes back to this outline, read each passage in

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light as scripture as a whole. So if that can't

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be what he's referring to, so what else could he

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mean there? Right?

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So what does that mean? So there's a little red flag,

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you can like wave that little red flag something that

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we got to figure out how does that fit?

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Flag is the verses that follow after this. So as

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you get into verses thirty six, we have a couple

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of things happen.

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So I'll read those.

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It says, or was it from you that the word

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of God came? Or are you the only ones it

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has reached? If anyone thinks he is a prophet or

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spiritual he should acknowledge that the things I am writing

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to you are a command of the Lord. If anyone

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does not recognize this, he is not recognized.

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You have a very sharp rebuke.

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That comes right after these verses the women be silent verses. Paul,

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as a pharisee, does not say something came from the

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law that did not actually come from the law. He's

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not going to get that wrong. He goes into a

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very sharp rebuke after that, which is actually called a diatribe.

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an opponent's slogan.

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HM. This is something that Paul actually does throughout the

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whole letter of Versus Corinthians. This is a corrective letter.

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And there are multiple times that Paul quotes something that

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they are teaching or saying within their church, and then

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right after that he rebukes them with rhetorical questioning.

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I think Paul is a bit snarky. I think we

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would have been besties back in to day. I think

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he was a little snarky.

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you see this is not Paul's voice. This is not

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how he teaches. This is not something Paul would say

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in connecting women being quiet to the law right, and

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when it's not in the law, that's not how Paul talks.

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So where it doesn't sound like him, is the proof

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as you're saying that it is he is talking back

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to them and repeating their slogan.

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of this being the best rendition and the best interpretation

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of this is I want to go to the Parallel

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Bible to just show a couple of things. So there's

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this little word that is I guess you would say

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it as eta. I'm not a Greek scholar.

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It's a little inn with the curvy thing above it.

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it was a word that Paul uses in this diatribe

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argumentative style.

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To introduce the response.

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and then you would use this rhetorical questioning with this

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word in there. And he does it repeatedly throughout the

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Book of First Corinthians, and you use it to say

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these absurd questioning in order to crush the original argument.

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Yes, I have that. Scholars note that Eta introduces a

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rhetorical question meant to shock or shame the audience.

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So English revised version starts out that verse thirty six

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with what was it from you that the Word of

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God went forth? Or it came onto you alone? The

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New Heart English Bible starts with what was it from

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you that the Word of God went out? And there's

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a few more Webster's Bible translation what came the Word

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of God out from you? Or came it to you?

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Only word English Bible what so's there's several different ones

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that give They put in there that word what is

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not actually in there as translatable. They're trying to demonstrate

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what Paul is doing here with that little word eta.

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It is something meant, like you said, to shock and

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cause shame to the person that they're talking to in

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their rhetorical questioning.

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I wish the English language could adapt that simple.

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Please. That'd be fun, right, It would be make emails

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so much more fun. Yeah, that would make emails fun.

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It's just like one little word and you already know

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that you're yeah, kind of digging in. So a couple

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other places in this book that Paul does this, and

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it's the first one's first Corinthians, chapter one, verse twelve

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and thirteen. Paul says, now I mean this that each

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one of you is saying, I am with Paul, I

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am with Apollos, I am with Cephus, I am with Christ.

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Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you?

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he uses that little word eta in that last question

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where he says, or were you baptized in the name

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of Paul.

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It's where he's telling them their slogan, and then he

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is going with the rhetorical style of argument against that slogan.

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I am with Paul, I'm with a pause. He's literally

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telling them the sayings that they are saying within the church.

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this is the nasb. It says, all things are permitted

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for me, but not all things are of benefit. All

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things are permitted for me, but I will not be

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mastered by anything. And then the rebuke comes in the

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little Eta word, or do you not know that your

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body is a temple of the Holy Spirit than you

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whom you have from God, and that you are not

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your own So he gives a rhetorical question rebuke just

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after quoting. And now this is something that a lot

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of scholars will argue that this is a slogan within

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the Corinthian Church that all things are permitted from me,

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and so that this is something that Paul is rebuking. Right,

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saying in their church, and then.

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and we read it through to those verses, it reads

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So, yeah, does put a different spin honor.

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the church. Or was it from you that the word

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of God came? Or are you the only ones it

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he should acknowledge the things that I am writing to

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you are a command of the Lord. And so we

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immediately get that rebuke to that passage. Yes, so I

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think it's probably a good time to talk about the

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things I am writing to you part.

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you're looking at how you're supposed to read the Bible

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and take scripture as a whole, the things he's writing

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to you are all the other times he has addressed

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men and women right prior to this in this letter.

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So if you actually go back and you don't cherry

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pick these verses out, you have a very different picture

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of what Paul is setting up. So in chapter eleven,

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he says, but every woman who has her head uncovered

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while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for it is

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one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved.

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He doesn't rebuke them for praying or prophesying. He says

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that if they are praying or prophesying, they just need

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to have their head covered.

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